1 And there came two angels to Sodom
at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up
to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;
we yet know what an angel is? I have to look at the linguistic root at
this point since the narrative hasn't said word one about it. Well in
it's current English form it's from Sanskrit via Greek via Latin via
French and it means messenger. The Hebrew it has been translated from
also means messenger so an angel is no more special than a messenger, I
suppose envoy might be a good approximation. Back to the text then are
these two messengers the same two men that went and visited Abraham with
the man that Abraham recognised as the LORD? Are angels human? is the
LORD for that matter?
2 And he said, Behold
now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry
all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on
your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all
Lot is hospitable and offers
them a bed for the night and they that they'll sleep in the street. It
might be because I'm English but it strikes me that the angels were
3 And he pressed upon them
greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he
made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.
Lot convinces them to come in and makes them a meal.
But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom,
compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every
A good number of the menfolk of Sodom come and surround Lot's house. Why?
And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which
came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know
Now do they mean
know in the way that people call biblical? Like Adam knew his wife?
perhaps, so some men turn up in a city (angels must look exactly like
men) and all the men in the city want to have sex with them? I find
their motivation to be inadequately explained. For what reason would an
entire town of men, young and old, from all quarters, descend on Lot's
house and demand to have sex with his guests?
6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,
Good move, if there are indeed that many men all wanting to slip some to your house guests are waiting outside.
7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.
He begins to plead with the horny hoard...
Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I
pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your
eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the
shadow of my roof.
offers the men 'full access' to his virgin daughters in place of his
male guests. Is this a good act? a righteous suggestion? Are daughters
less valuable than strangers? Would it not be more honourable to not
offer *anyone* to the rampaging rapists and actually just say no?
And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in
to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with
thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and
came near to break the door.
unsatisfied with Lot's offer and with an appetite for
angelic-arse-action, the hole-hungry-horde attempt to push by Lot and
break into the house where their rectal-ramming-retribution will be laid
heavier on Lot for having got in the way.
10 But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door.
The men (are angels human) pull lot into the house and close the door...
And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with
blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find
...and struck all of the men at the door blind. What sorcery is this? By what mechanism was this achieved?
And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and
thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring
them out of this place:
The men (Still men? after blinding all those people with magic?) instruct Lot to get his whole family out of Sodom.
For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great
before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.
Right, so these angels were sent to destroy Sodom. There is no mention
of the investigation the LORD agreed to carry out to find out if there
were ten good people in Sodom. Has the LORD broken his agreement with
Abraham and just sent some angels to destroy the city despite there
possibly being some righteous people in it. Was it just by chance that
they walked past Lot's house? If they had taken a different route into
Sodom, would Lot's family have been spared?
And Lot went out, and spake unto his sons in law, which married his
daughters, and said, Up, get you out of this place; for the LORD will
destroy this city. But he seemed as one that mocked unto his sons in
Lot's sons-in-law didn't
believe him, I can't say I blame them. On a side note, how big is Lot's
family? How many Sons-in-law does he have? we already know he has two
unmarried daughters and a wife, if he has just three married daughters
then his family alone make up the ten required to save Sodom from
15 And when the morning arose,
then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two
daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the
The angels (formerly referred to as men. Are they just messengers?) usher Lot, His wife and two daughters out of the city.
And while he lingered, the men laid hold upon his hand, and upon the
hand of his wife, and upon the hand of his two daughters; the LORD being
merciful unto him: and they brought him forth, and set him without the
And it came to pass, when they had brought them forth abroad, that he
said, Escape for thy life; look not behind thee, neither stay thou in
all the plain; escape to the mountain, lest thou be consumed.
Is this the LORD speaking now?
18 And Lot said unto them, Oh, not so, my Lord:
Behold now, thy servant hath found grace in thy sight, and thou hast
magnified thy mercy, which thou hast shewed unto me in saving my life;
and I cannot escape to the mountain, lest some evil take me, and I die:
Lot complains to the LORD that the mountains he's been ordered to are too dangerous to run to...
Behold now, this city is near to flee unto, and it is a little one: Oh,
let me escape thither, (is it not a little one?) and my soul shall
...and begs that he be allowed to run to this nearby city instead.
And he said unto him, See, I have accepted thee concerning this thing
also, that I will not overthrow this city, for the which thou hast
just like he did with Abraham. Is this god all powerful? All knowing?
surely he would know it was too dangerous for Lot to go to the mountains
and if it wasn't too dangerous why capitulate? If the city was the best
destination for Lot, why didn't God command him to go there in the
22 Haste thee, escape thither;
for I cannot do any thing till thou be come thither. Therefore the name
of the city was called Zoar.
God can't destroy Sodom and Gomorrah until Lot is safely in Zoar.
23 The sun was risen upon the earth when Lot entered into Zoar.
Phew, he got there in time.
24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;
Now, which heaven are we talking about here? The heavens as in the sky,
or the odd ethereal other-world that the gods (The Lord and his friends
from Genesis 1,2 and 3) live in? Or... is 'the LORD out of heaven' a
title and he is spewing fire and brimstone out of himself like some sort
25 And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.
What about Zoar? As I remember from Genesis 14 Zoar is in the plain.
26 But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt.
what? Why did she become a pillar of salt? There was no warning against
looking back, who or what turned her to salt and why? What precedent do
we have to even believe it possible? who's testimony is this? This
sounds rather like a story fabricated to explain the existence of
pillars of salt in a dry sea-bed by goat herders to stop their children
asking what they were.
27 And Abraham gat up early in the morning to the place where he stood before the LORD:
And he looked toward Sodom and Gomorrah, and toward all the land of the
plain, and beheld, and, lo, the smoke of the country went up as the
smoke of a furnace.
The cities and lands of the plain burned (but not Zoar?).
And it came to pass, when God destroyed the cities of the plain, that
God remembered Abraham, and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow,
when he overthrew the cities in the which Lot dwelt.
he didn't remember Abraham very well did he? He said he'd spare Sodom
if he found ten righteous people, He didn't even look, he just sent two
messengers who didn't get past the first house.
And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two
daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar: and he dwelt in a
cave, he and his two daughters.
OK, Caves are cool I guess, not quite as good as a house and probably
about as good as a tent, I might have gone for a tent myself.
And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there
is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the
forgetting all of the men in Zoar and for some reason not knowing that
there are plenty of people living outside of the now destroyed plain,
probably not three days walk away...
32 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
The eldest daughter decides to get her father drunk and have sex with him in order to keep the family line going.
And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn
went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay
down, nor when she arose.
How drunk would the man have to be to not notice being boinked by his daughter?
And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the
younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink
wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may
preserve seed of our father.
And then his youngest daughter does the same?
And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger
arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor
when she arose.
really be drunk enough not to notice yet be functional enough to 'rise'
to the challenge? Again I ask who's testimony this is because it
sounding a little shaky, Could it be lot that got his daughters drunk?
Either way the acts are distasteful and at the very least not the best
way to preserve a family line... If you want to preserve it in an
healthy way that is.
36 Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.
OK.. and by that I mean I understand, not that it's OK.
37 And the firstborn bare a son, and called his name Moab: the same is the father of the Moabites unto this day.
Right you are.
And the younger, she also bare a son, and called his name Benammi: the
same is the father of the children of Ammon unto this day.
Well there we are then.
So what have we got out of this?
promised Abraham that he would survey Sodom to see if there were ten or
more righteous people and not destroy it if he found them but instead
sent two messengers who stopped at the first house and didn't bother to
look any further. Why did the LORD destroy Sodom? It seems quite likely
that ten righteous people would have been found if a thorough search
were conducted. Did the LORD lie to Abraham? It seems he did but this
should come as no surprise given that his first words to a human were
also a lie.
human? The description of them would indicate yes. Admittedly the
angels in this story were able to strike a crowd blind but then so are
men today with the aid of powders or gases. It is entirely likely that
these 'angels' are just human men with some nifty weapons.
of nifty weapons, is the LORD in this chapter and the last also a
human? He is described as a man many times, he walks from place to place
on foot, he eats food and drinks wine, he negotiates with both Abraham
and Lot showing no clear authority. So if the LORD is a man, is the
destruction of the plains and the cities therein supernatural? Well, it
depends how you read verse 24.
the judgement of Lot as righteous a tacit approval of his offer to send
his daughters out to a rape-mob as fuck-fodder? It seems that
protecting the messengers, who it turns out are capable of protecting
themselves, is something that Lot needs to do at any cost, including the
surrender of his virgin daughters to sexual violence and humiliation.
For some reason this is also the first thing Lot thinks of to try to
placate the mob, there are a great number of things he could have tried
first. Is offering your daughters up for rape a righteous act in the
eyes of the LORD?
Why was Lot's wife turned to salt? This is very ill explained, there isn't even enough detail to try to work it out.
finally... The incest! Why? What possible reason could there be for
both of Lot's daughters to need to have sex with their father? We know
there are settlements in the mountains, Abraham's tribe for example,
there is also a city full of men in near-by Zoar. There is no
justification for the incest. Furthermore, is it actually possible for a
man to be drunk enough to not notice his own daughters riding his rod
yet be sober enough to keep it up?
What an odd chapter!